D300 or P380

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snerkler
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D300 or P380

Post by snerkler » Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:30 pm

I’ve been looking for a P380 R-dynamic for several months now and nothing has come up as yet that fits the spec and budget so I’ve recently been considering widening my search to include the D300.

I’ve been looking at the P380 as I’m fancying something with a bit of performance and a nice soundtrack, but I’ve I’m now questioning the performance side of things. Yes the P380 has a quicker 0-60 time but how often do we do traffic light starts in the real world? Never really. So I’ve started looking at the D300 and that whopping 700Nm torque and thinking that this might be better in the real world.

Has anyone any experience of both and can share an opinion please? I’d be looking at a 2017/2018 reg.

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Re: D300 or P380

Post by Bottom » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:58 am

I've got the D300, never considered a petrol version, the midrange wallop of the big diesel makes it pretty swift in the real world, plus I've often got over 50mpg out of mine! I do have a pretty fast sports car if I feel the urge for a bit more excitement though :-)

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Re: D300 or P380

Post by snerkler » Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:56 pm

Bottom wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:58 am
I've got the D300, never considered a petrol version, the midrange wallop of the big diesel makes it pretty swift in the real world, plus I've often got over 50mpg out of mine! I do have a pretty fast sports car if I feel the urge for a bit more excitement though :-)
Thanks for the feedback. How refined is the diesel engine? I have the F15 X5 M30d at the moment and whilst the diesel engine is very good on the whole it does still sound a bit tractor-ish from the outside (sounds better inside because they channel fake sound into the speakers). It is pretty smooth though.

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Re: D300 or P380

Post by bobmedley » Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:09 pm

I swapped from a F Pace 3.0S diesel to a Velar 380. The F Pace engine was fine, engine not too noisy once you started cruising, acceleration wasn't anything special just a gradual build up of speed plus there was always that annoying JLR half second delay when you put your foot down. It was primarily used for a 400 mile round trip to fetch kids from Uni and UK long trip holidays, cruise control set to 78 mph ( a true 73) and whilst the OBC stated 38 mpg, brim to brim refills showed that it averaged 34 mpg over 27k miles. I never got anywhere near to 50 mpg, and doubt you could unless you drove everywhere at 50 mph or less, negating the need for a diesel V6. Also, if you intend to keep the car for a number of years then the diesel actually costs more to service than the P380 (over a five year period I think).

The P380 is substantially quicker than the diesel, and because it is supercharged take off is instantaneous with no lag. It makes a much nicer noise, heats up quicker and of course is generally exempt (famous last words) from the anti-diesel sentiments starting to arise in this country. Doing the same journeys as the V6 diesel gives 28 mpg, so not a huge amount of diffference - however, if you give it some beans the mpg drops down to around 20/22 and short stop-start journeys are similar (on the odd occasion the F Pace did local journeys it averaged 27 mpg).

So you pay your money and make your choice - if mpg is important, or you tow then the diesel makes sense. If you want performance, a fabulous engine note (knowing engines like these will never be available again) then the P380 is for you.
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Re: D300 or P380

Post by Barachus » Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:27 pm

I test drove the D300 and P380 before buying and chose the P380, it’s faster, feels lighter and more springy, all together felt so much better for my use case, then annoyingly it was discontinued in the UK when I got round to buying, so I chose the P300 instead
The D300 is a beautiful engine, and if that is your use case as a motorway cruiser then go for it, but I was surprised how not much better than the P300 the D300 was when I compared driving both, and had the D300 as curtesy car many times, it didn’t exactly blow the petrol away in performance, obviously mpg is a lot better on the diesel, but I don’t do many miles so that wasn’t really a factor for me
I would pick the P380 10 times out of 10, I wish it was still available when i ordered
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Re: D300 or P380

Post by snerkler » Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:49 pm

Thanks for the feedback, looks like the P380 is the choice for me then.

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Re: D300 or P380

Post by SpokenHands » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:32 am

The D300 is a euro 6b engine so does not attract any of the new emissions charges in city centres etc; it is ULEZ compliant
Would highly recommend it if you do high mileage annually; it is definitely more efficient and would give you some manner of savings on fuel.

The D300 gives you the full 700 Nm whack between 1500-4000 rpm (but it is a heavier engine, and also marginally front heavy) whereas the P380 has around 400 NM at 1500 rpm.
The P380, like any V6 engine, sounds more refined and quieter. It does have mid-range grunt but I respectfully disagree that the low end torque on a P380 is better than the D300.
So if you like quick getaways, or go off-road a lot in different kinds of terrain; on a 2.5 tonne car; you're generally better off in the diesel.
The diesel engine is heavier so relatively more tyre wear, and brake wear but nothing that would change the decision.

The P380 is more fun to drive.

Consider the new range of hybrids if you do low mileage, largely city driving.
Resale values are better if that's your schtick.
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Re: D300 or P380

Post by snerkler » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:53 am

Thanks for the reply. I don’t do high mileage these days, 8000 miles/year tops. I like a nice comfortable car that is fun to drive on odd occasions, but I do prefer low down grunt to high end rev monsters (hence why I always found my Turbo Charged Scooby more fun to drive than my naturally aspirated M3) :)

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Re: D300 or P380

Post by Hedders » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:07 pm

snerkler wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:53 am
Thanks for the reply. I don’t do high mileage these days, 8000 miles/year tops. I like a nice comfortable car that is fun to drive on odd occasions, but I do prefer low down grunt to high end rev monsters (hence why I always found my Turbo Charged Scooby more fun to drive than my naturally aspirated M3) :)
May I suggest the P400. A beautifully smooth 3.0 “Straight Six” engine that has a regular Turbo and, in addition, an electrically powered Supercharger for low down power. It is very quick off the line. The Supercharger battery is under the boot, and is recharged by regenerative braking - there is no way to plug it in to a charger. Stunning performance at all engine speeds.
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Re: D300 or P380

Post by snerkler » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:19 pm

Hedders wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:07 pm
snerkler wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:53 am
Thanks for the reply. I don’t do high mileage these days, 8000 miles/year tops. I like a nice comfortable car that is fun to drive on odd occasions, but I do prefer low down grunt to high end rev monsters (hence why I always found my Turbo Charged Scooby more fun to drive than my naturally aspirated M3) :)
May I suggest the P400. A beautifully smooth 3.0 “Straight Six” engine that has a regular Turbo and, in addition, an electrically powered Supercharger for low down power. It is very quick off the line. The Supercharger battery is under the boot, and is recharged by regenerative braking - there is no way to plug it in to a charger. Stunning performance at all engine speeds.
You may suggest it, however the p400 engine is too new and as a result out of budget I'm afraid.

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